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		<title>By: Hostile Fork</title>
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		<description>Hello... from a fellow fan of government transparency, stable citability, semiotics, and other good things!

When I saw the citability.org premise laid out it made me think of an interesting feature in Freebase called as_of_time.  I know from searching for &quot;silona.org freebase&quot; that you commented on their acquisition by Google (o_o) so perhaps you&#039;ve heard of this API?  But if not... it has the interesting property of being able to effectively rewind the whole corpus, getting the results of a query as if it were run back in time.

(See section &quot;As Of Time Querying&quot;)
http://www.freebase.com/docs/data/going_meta

I imagine that an unusually powerful citability demo could be built with an interface that used a Freebase-backed schema for the sections/pieces of government documents.  Have you or anyone else considered this idea?  (currently I get no hits for &quot;citability.org freebase as_of_time&quot;)

While Freebase is not open source, they don&#039;t mind if you experiment in the sandbox.  And although they clear the data out weekly you can just programmatically reload demo data when they do.  Of course...given the &quot;meta&quot; nature of as_of_time in the graphd engine, &quot;backdating&quot; an edit time in an existing database is not offered, so each new upload would reflect new edit times.  A real government project using this method would probably want to import their existing editing history and thus employ &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.freebase.com/2008/04/09/a-brief-tour-of-graphd/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a mechanism like graphd&#039;s&lt;/a&gt;, but not use Freebase itself.

&lt;b&gt;Also:&lt;/b&gt; you seem to share some of my feelings about the tradeoffs of transparency and accountability.  So I&#039;d be very curious what you think of my &lt;a href=&quot;http://hostilefork.com/blackhighlighter/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Blackhighlighter&lt;/a&gt; project, if you have time to look at it!  Feel free to send me any comments or send it on to anyone you know who might be interested.

Thanks!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello&#8230; from a fellow fan of government transparency, stable citability, semiotics, and other good things!</p>
<p>When I saw the citability.org premise laid out it made me think of an interesting feature in Freebase called as_of_time.  I know from searching for &#8220;silona.org freebase&#8221; that you commented on their acquisition by Google (o_o) so perhaps you&#8217;ve heard of this API?  But if not&#8230; it has the interesting property of being able to effectively rewind the whole corpus, getting the results of a query as if it were run back in time.</p>
<p>(See section &#8220;As Of Time Querying&#8221;)<br />
<a href="http://www.freebase.com/docs/data/going_meta" rel="nofollow">http://www.freebase.com/docs/data/going_meta</a></p>
<p>I imagine that an unusually powerful citability demo could be built with an interface that used a Freebase-backed schema for the sections/pieces of government documents.  Have you or anyone else considered this idea?  (currently I get no hits for &#8220;citability.org freebase as_of_time&#8221;)</p>
<p>While Freebase is not open source, they don&#8217;t mind if you experiment in the sandbox.  And although they clear the data out weekly you can just programmatically reload demo data when they do.  Of course&#8230;given the &#8220;meta&#8221; nature of as_of_time in the graphd engine, &#8220;backdating&#8221; an edit time in an existing database is not offered, so each new upload would reflect new edit times.  A real government project using this method would probably want to import their existing editing history and thus employ <a href="http://blog.freebase.com/2008/04/09/a-brief-tour-of-graphd/" rel="nofollow">a mechanism like graphd&#8217;s</a>, but not use Freebase itself.</p>
<p><b>Also:</b> you seem to share some of my feelings about the tradeoffs of transparency and accountability.  So I&#8217;d be very curious what you think of my <a href="http://hostilefork.com/blackhighlighter/" rel="nofollow">Blackhighlighter</a> project, if you have time to look at it!  Feel free to send me any comments or send it on to anyone you know who might be interested.</p>
<p>Thanks!!!</p>
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